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		<title>By: Walter</title>
		<link>http://blog.netscraps.com/awful-customer-service/trojan-uv-max-c4-beeping.html#comment-2363</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 02:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All UV systems that incorporate a sensor suffer the exact same issues as the Trojan.  We install a ton of these and no method works any better than another.  In the end you have cold water running outside a very warm light source, it causes discoloration and condensation of the sleeve and the sensor.  Unless your filtration ahead is perfect, defects (hardness/iron/sulphur ) are going to make it into the chamber and cloud the sleeve or the sensor&#039;s reading ability.  Cleaning and maintenance are part of the package when you are running on lake/well and suspect water.  

Bulbs last longer than 4-6 months as was mentioned, its the sensor&#039;s ability to read the strength that becomes the issue.  We&#039;ve had great success using Muratic Acid and a Qtip on the sensor glass which will extend the sensor life another 4-6 months at a time.  Also instead of replacing the sleeve you can rotate it if its cloudy at the sensor input to try and get it to unlock the solenoid.  

In the end most municipalities we service here opt for parallel installation regardless of brand because of the inherit flaw in reading UV strength through glass and water.  Basically a manufacturer needs to make a lamp that has a sealed sleeve and lamp combination that has 1&quot; of lamp sealed outside the stream of water to sense the strength and that would solve the issue, but I&#039;m sure the cost and heat of this would be a hurdle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All UV systems that incorporate a sensor suffer the exact same issues as the Trojan.  We install a ton of these and no method works any better than another.  In the end you have cold water running outside a very warm light source, it causes discoloration and condensation of the sleeve and the sensor.  Unless your filtration ahead is perfect, defects (hardness/iron/sulphur ) are going to make it into the chamber and cloud the sleeve or the sensor&#8217;s reading ability.  Cleaning and maintenance are part of the package when you are running on lake/well and suspect water.  </p>
<p>Bulbs last longer than 4-6 months as was mentioned, its the sensor&#8217;s ability to read the strength that becomes the issue.  We&#8217;ve had great success using Muratic Acid and a Qtip on the sensor glass which will extend the sensor life another 4-6 months at a time.  Also instead of replacing the sleeve you can rotate it if its cloudy at the sensor input to try and get it to unlock the solenoid.  </p>
<p>In the end most municipalities we service here opt for parallel installation regardless of brand because of the inherit flaw in reading UV strength through glass and water.  Basically a manufacturer needs to make a lamp that has a sealed sleeve and lamp combination that has 1&#8243; of lamp sealed outside the stream of water to sense the strength and that would solve the issue, but I&#8217;m sure the cost and heat of this would be a hurdle.</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
		<link>http://blog.netscraps.com/awful-customer-service/trojan-uv-max-c4-beeping.html#comment-2274</link>
		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim, I have exactly the same problem with my Model C. Did you ever solve your problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim, I have exactly the same problem with my Model C. Did you ever solve your problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Wick</title>
		<link>http://blog.netscraps.com/awful-customer-service/trojan-uv-max-c4-beeping.html#comment-2191</link>
		<dc:creator>Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff, good to hear it was helpful.

I believe a new bulb puts out more UV light than an older bulb, so in theory replacing the bulb should help. But the old bulb should be working well enough to kill any bacteria, as long as it hasn&#039;t been in service for over a year.

Depending on your water source, removing &amp; cleaning the outside of the glass sleeve really helps too. Our system is for filtered lake water (3 filters ahead of the UV light) &amp; I&#039;ve found that although the UV warning light doesn&#039;t come on, I still have to clean the sleeve every 6 months for the coliform bacteria tests to come back negative. I wipe it with a cloth using a light bleach solution, but if you have hard water you&#039;d have to use the scale remover which is what&#039;s recommended in the Trojan manual.

BTW our neighbor (same lake water source) had been replacing their UV bulb annually but hadn&#039;t ever cleaned the sleeve -- when they tested their water, they got 220 for the coliform count &amp; 25 for the e.coli count! They cleaned the sleeve, shocked everything downstream &amp; so far that&#039;s solved the problem.

Good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, good to hear it was helpful.</p>
<p>I believe a new bulb puts out more UV light than an older bulb, so in theory replacing the bulb should help. But the old bulb should be working well enough to kill any bacteria, as long as it hasn&#8217;t been in service for over a year.</p>
<p>Depending on your water source, removing &#038; cleaning the outside of the glass sleeve really helps too. Our system is for filtered lake water (3 filters ahead of the UV light) &#038; I&#8217;ve found that although the UV warning light doesn&#8217;t come on, I still have to clean the sleeve every 6 months for the coliform bacteria tests to come back negative. I wipe it with a cloth using a light bleach solution, but if you have hard water you&#8217;d have to use the scale remover which is what&#8217;s recommended in the Trojan manual.</p>
<p>BTW our neighbor (same lake water source) had been replacing their UV bulb annually but hadn&#8217;t ever cleaned the sleeve &#8212; when they tested their water, they got 220 for the coliform count &#038; 25 for the e.coli count! They cleaned the sleeve, shocked everything downstream &#038; so far that&#8217;s solved the problem.</p>
<p>Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://blog.netscraps.com/awful-customer-service/trojan-uv-max-c4-beeping.html#comment-2190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wick, Thank you so much for posting this...   I did the same troubleshooting steps and was about to call a plumber in as the unit is out at my Summer home and I have already made one extra trip trying to fix it.  I have actually just sold the place and would definitely disconnect the speaker, however, a water test will be done this week and Im not sure if a new bulb would help ensure a better test or not.

Does anybody know if a new bulb will make any difference to a water test even though all lights are green?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wick, Thank you so much for posting this&#8230;   I did the same troubleshooting steps and was about to call a plumber in as the unit is out at my Summer home and I have already made one extra trip trying to fix it.  I have actually just sold the place and would definitely disconnect the speaker, however, a water test will be done this week and Im not sure if a new bulb would help ensure a better test or not.</p>
<p>Does anybody know if a new bulb will make any difference to a water test even though all lights are green?</p>
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		<title>By: Wick</title>
		<link>http://blog.netscraps.com/awful-customer-service/trojan-uv-max-c4-beeping.html#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - if you haven&#039;t already, I&#039;d try contacting Viqua directly at +1 (519) 763-1032 or email them (technicalsupport@viqua.com) rather than going through your local distributor. In fact I&#039;d just send them a copy of what you wrote above, that&#039;s perfect. Their headquarters-based tech support was very helpful when I finally contacted them directly. Please write again to let us know if you&#039;re able to solve the issue. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; if you haven&#8217;t already, I&#8217;d try contacting Viqua directly at +1 (519) 763-1032 or email them (technicalsupport@viqua.com) rather than going through your local distributor. In fact I&#8217;d just send them a copy of what you wrote above, that&#8217;s perfect. Their headquarters-based tech support was very helpful when I finally contacted them directly. Please write again to let us know if you&#8217;re able to solve the issue. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.netscraps.com/awful-customer-service/trojan-uv-max-c4-beeping.html#comment-2165</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 07:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have your Trojan UV Max D4 Plus; serial number 000236

Installed 25 December 2009
commissioned when the house was completed and occupied 4 November 2010

The unit periodically started to beep back in May, 2011, only five months after starting the unit.  Because you can never seem to get anyone at Water Doctor in Bangkok who can speak English, my Thai wife called and the lady she spoke to told her to clean the glass lens of the sensor.  This did not solve the beeping problem so she called several more times and each time the lady would repeat the instructions to clean the glass sensor lens.  Now common sense should have kicked in and when this lady received the third call from the same customer complaining about the same issue that lens cleaning did not solve, one would think that a real customer service rep would dig deeper into finding a solution rather than repeating the standard instructions to clean the lens.  I told my wife to contact someone else in the Bangkok office.  She contacted another lady who said she was traveling in northern Thailand and would contact the home office and get back to her with some answers.  She never called back.  When my wife tried to contact her again, it was discovered that she had gone abroad.  Now it is August so the months have passed and nobody at Water Doctor seems to care enough about customers to return calls.  She finally managed last week to speak to a man at the Bangkok office who could not give her a price quote on a new sensor nor could he give her a part number (missing from the owners manual for D4 Plus models) and price quote on a new UV lamp.

Since the Certificate of Calibration was signed by Silvance Molinari on 9 February 2009 I am assuming it is a D4 Plus 2009 model.  

To silence the aggravating beeping noise I have unplugged the sensor which leads me to believe the sensor is the problem.  But now I am reading the blog on blog.netscraps.com to learn that your UV Max C4 has the same problem and it turns out that the problem is defective power units were manufactured and sold all through 2009.

I really need some one to step up to the plate and contact me (English speaker) and explain how Trojan and Water Doctor are going to solve this beeping issue with my D4 Plus unit.  Many foreigners are moving into my area of Thailand and they are all interested in water purification for their retirement homes.  What would you like me to tell them when they contact me to come and look at the system that was installed in my home??

Regards
John W Luersen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have your Trojan UV Max D4 Plus; serial number 000236</p>
<p>Installed 25 December 2009<br />
commissioned when the house was completed and occupied 4 November 2010</p>
<p>The unit periodically started to beep back in May, 2011, only five months after starting the unit.  Because you can never seem to get anyone at Water Doctor in Bangkok who can speak English, my Thai wife called and the lady she spoke to told her to clean the glass lens of the sensor.  This did not solve the beeping problem so she called several more times and each time the lady would repeat the instructions to clean the glass sensor lens.  Now common sense should have kicked in and when this lady received the third call from the same customer complaining about the same issue that lens cleaning did not solve, one would think that a real customer service rep would dig deeper into finding a solution rather than repeating the standard instructions to clean the lens.  I told my wife to contact someone else in the Bangkok office.  She contacted another lady who said she was traveling in northern Thailand and would contact the home office and get back to her with some answers.  She never called back.  When my wife tried to contact her again, it was discovered that she had gone abroad.  Now it is August so the months have passed and nobody at Water Doctor seems to care enough about customers to return calls.  She finally managed last week to speak to a man at the Bangkok office who could not give her a price quote on a new sensor nor could he give her a part number (missing from the owners manual for D4 Plus models) and price quote on a new UV lamp.</p>
<p>Since the Certificate of Calibration was signed by Silvance Molinari on 9 February 2009 I am assuming it is a D4 Plus 2009 model.  </p>
<p>To silence the aggravating beeping noise I have unplugged the sensor which leads me to believe the sensor is the problem.  But now I am reading the blog on blog.netscraps.com to learn that your UV Max C4 has the same problem and it turns out that the problem is defective power units were manufactured and sold all through 2009.</p>
<p>I really need some one to step up to the plate and contact me (English speaker) and explain how Trojan and Water Doctor are going to solve this beeping issue with my D4 Plus unit.  Many foreigners are moving into my area of Thailand and they are all interested in water purification for their retirement homes.  What would you like me to tell them when they contact me to come and look at the system that was installed in my home??</p>
<p>Regards<br />
John W Luersen</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well ... it is always good to listen to your mother!! We took mother&#039;s advise for a temporary fix.  Our trojan uv max c4 was beeping incessantly even after we changed the uv light and driving our family MAD! So we opened the unit and located the speaker under the circular black box.  We pulled the box off and finding the speaker wires we snipped the two little copper wires and voila!  The beeping has stopped.   The warning lighting system is still operating.  We now have bought ourselves sometime to get the problem solved once and for all.
Thanks Mother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8230; it is always good to listen to your mother!! We took mother&#8217;s advise for a temporary fix.  Our trojan uv max c4 was beeping incessantly even after we changed the uv light and driving our family MAD! So we opened the unit and located the speaker under the circular black box.  We pulled the box off and finding the speaker wires we snipped the two little copper wires and voila!  The beeping has stopped.   The warning lighting system is still operating.  We now have bought ourselves sometime to get the problem solved once and for all.<br />
Thanks Mother!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blog.netscraps.com/awful-customer-service/trojan-uv-max-c4-beeping.html#comment-2151</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 19:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a municipality and we have recently puchased two viqua UVpro 10 and 20 systems. we have had alot of issues on both of the systems. We are having constant issues with maintaining uv levels above the minimum alarm thresholds. I have been meticulous about maintaining the system including cleaning of the uv sleeve and the sensor and are still having issues. I have replaced the sleeve and uv sensor as well only to see a moderate increase in uv readings. I agree with what others are saying, they claim the bulbs last two years, wrong, try 4-6 months, the quartz sleeve will not last forever, they also need to be replaced quite often. Conceptually this product is great, but there are technical issues and glitches that need to be corrected. I have considered removing these units and looking for another company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a municipality and we have recently puchased two viqua UVpro 10 and 20 systems. we have had alot of issues on both of the systems. We are having constant issues with maintaining uv levels above the minimum alarm thresholds. I have been meticulous about maintaining the system including cleaning of the uv sleeve and the sensor and are still having issues. I have replaced the sleeve and uv sensor as well only to see a moderate increase in uv readings. I agree with what others are saying, they claim the bulbs last two years, wrong, try 4-6 months, the quartz sleeve will not last forever, they also need to be replaced quite often. Conceptually this product is great, but there are technical issues and glitches that need to be corrected. I have considered removing these units and looking for another company.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to this blog I was able to quickly get the part ordered from this company. They didn&#039;t give me any hassle. It took less than 5 min to get what I wanted from the rep. I&#039;m sure they are getting used to the request now. Thanks all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to this blog I was able to quickly get the part ordered from this company. They didn&#8217;t give me any hassle. It took less than 5 min to get what I wanted from the rep. I&#8217;m sure they are getting used to the request now. Thanks all</p>
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		<title>By: Wick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 23:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue that most people have replied about is the beeping alarm manufacturing defect for certain UV Max C4 power supply units. It has been acknowledged by Viqua &amp; they have a free replacement program in place to deal with it. Your no-UV-light problem with an older blue box system sounds like something else... the defective power supplies that I wrote the article about were the Trojan UV Max C4 (black box unit in the photo up top) made between January 2009 - January 2010. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.waterfilter-usa.com/images/Model%20C4_web.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a better photo&lt;/a&gt;. Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue that most people have replied about is the beeping alarm manufacturing defect for certain UV Max C4 power supply units. It has been acknowledged by Viqua &amp; they have a free replacement program in place to deal with it. Your no-UV-light problem with an older blue box system sounds like something else&#8230; the defective power supplies that I wrote the article about were the Trojan UV Max C4 (black box unit in the photo up top) made between January 2009 &#8211; January 2010. <a href="http://www.waterfilter-usa.com/images/Model%20C4_web.jpg" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a better photo</a>. Hope that helps.</p>
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